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    As I stated in the new members forum, I'm a very proud owner of an 87 442. Apologies if the post is too long.

    Here's a few pics:

    Taken the day I brought it home on a flatbed:



    Interior shot...kinda dirty and faded (used flash when I shouldn't have).



    I was amazed that the interior was still in good shape, with only some fading from the sunlight. When I opened the trunk, I found a large section of cloth for the interior...the matching upholstery, brand new:



    Yes, that is a t-top bag underneath...don't think they were used much.



    Even the carpet was in good shape:



    The car was purchased new in '87. It's a one-owner car, and still has the owners manual with it. I found this in the glove box:



    Going to look for the build sheet when I get time. Going to try to get it running soon. This is a fun project, and I can't wait to hear it run. What's amazing is that I've had people already ask if it was for sale...absolutely not Saw a guy in an '80's Z-28 almost break his neck looking one day

    I'll post more pics when I can, and give an update on the progress. It's fun to own a piece of automotive history.

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    welcome !!! good luck

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    Very cool, :icon14:
    I'm doing a frame off on an 87 442 myself.
    Let me know if you have any questions, I'll be sure to help.
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    Thanks! Would love to do a frame-off, but don't have a building big enough for it (yet). I appreciate the help...I'm sure I'll have questions during the process.

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    Got some questions, but since they're lengthy and technical, I'll post them in the electrical section.

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    how is 2011 treating your 87' 442 project????....I just came up to Indiana to snag my 85' 442 last month....

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    Pretty good, I have the electrical issues fixed, and am working on the fuel system and brakes. Hope to have it running soon.Thanks for asking.
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    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
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    I finally got the car running this past Sunday (4-1 - no, this is no joke!). It's been a slow process...sometimes, just not enough money and time. I made a new fuel line from the fuel pump to the carb last summer...that was a job. Took several attempts, but I got one bent that was pretty close:





    Didn't get much more done until early spring this year. Got the correct bushings and spacers for the AC compressor and the smog pump installed, then started on the fuel tank. The lines were in pretty bad shape:



    Bent new lines, and replaced the tank (with new sending unit installed), and new hoses. Replaced the wheel cylinders and lines on the rear brakes...I hate those wheel cylinders, although I now know a good way to remove and install them...I'll post that in another place. I noticed that the brake line attached to the brake hose was rusty. Planned to replace it later, but when we bled the brakes, it started leaking. I told my sons, heck with it, chock the wheels, we're going to start it.

    I turned it over a few times to get some gas up to the carb. After about the 3rd or 4th time, checked to see if it had fuel...didn't seen any. As they are talking, I hit the key, and it fired! I shut it off so they could get the camera ready. Here's the videos:

    http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=101_0830.mp4

    http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/f...t=101_0831.mp4


    http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/f...eo04011625.mp4

    No lifter clatter, but the carb needs some adjustments, and need to find some trouble codes. Oil pressure read 60 psi...not sure if the gauge is accurate, but I don't hear any banging or knocking, so it's probably close. Pretty good, considering the car hasn't been started in 12 or 13 years.

    Feels really good to finally get this running Going to get the codes this weekend, and see if I can get the carb set. Once the brakes are finished, I can see if the trans works. I'll keep you posted.
    '76 Cutlass S 350 (1981-83)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    Sweet, cool to see that it started right up like that.
    I hate those wheel cylinders, Ive fought with those a few times...
    Carb probably could use a rebuild, these cars are pretty sensitive to a gummed up carb.
    Id replace the O2 sensor and ignition module too, those can cause headaches as well, especially after sitting for a really long time.
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    Rebuilt the carb a few months after I got the car...probably just needs some adjustments. As for the codes, I checked the SES light tonight, and according to the test, it should have flashed code 12 when I grounded the B terminal...it did not. Light stays on when I do that. I traced it back, and it looks like it may have something to do with the Remote Lamp Driver, which, if I remember right, is just behind the dash. Not sure if it has a bad board, or just a loose connection. I'm going to look at it more tomorrow.
    '76 Cutlass S 350 (1981-83)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    You need to jump the A and B terminals together.
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    Ok, tried that, ignition on, engine not running...no flash. Traced the circuits back to the ECM, and had power at all terminals relating to the SES. I tried another board in the light driver, no change. Could it possibly be the switch in the ECM circuit? I'd have to replace the ECM if it was. The car starts fine, and runs fine, other than needing the carb set (rich). May just have to live with it while I get other things fixed.

    Speaking of other things...think I have a bad doughnut gasket, rh side. I should have a new one stored in the trunk. Also, I noticed that when the engine is running, and you turn on the turn signal, the tach needle jumps in time with the signal. I've also noticed that the voltage is not very high...less than 12V, instead of 13.8v. Maybe problems with the voltage regulator, or just the alternator being dirty from sitting all these years? The car starts fine, haven't had to charge it since I first started it.

    Thanks for your help in getting the bugs worked out of this...it takes a little while, but when it's finally done, it'll be worth it.
    '76 Cutlass S 350 (1981-83)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    The carb should not need setting, the computer controls the mixture as well as the O2 sensor.
    Sounds like either the fuse for the ECM is bad or the ECM itself.
    I would not tamper with the factory idle setting screws, they do not change much like older Qjets.
    The mixture solinoid does all that.
    You may have a bad ground in the cluster or crossed wires, the bulb socket in the cluster for the turn signal might be causing the issue.
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    The two things I'm concerned with setting on the carb are the float, which I may not have set correctly, and the idle air bleed screw, which is supposed to be set at a specific height. I do have an issue with the rf turn signal socket. When I turn on the lights, the indicator on the instrument panel comes on...I think it's in the wiring for the socket itself. It was working at one time.

    If I do have a bad ECM, where would I get one? Seems like it would be difficult to find one for that particular VIN.
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    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    The ECM is the same for 86-87 VIN Y and VIN 9 I believe, I'll have to check my parts manual.
    Do not get one from an 88, they're different.
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    Well, got some good news. Did you ever have one of those DOH moments, when you find something that you overlooked? I checked the ECM fuse, and realized there wasn't one! Put in another 10V fuse, and the SES light went out. I was able to run the codes then. Must have missed that when I put the wiring back together...DOH! The codes I got were as follows (each flashed 3 times):

    Code 12, which is normal
    Code 21, TPS voltage high
    Code 44, lean exhaust, which can't be right, because you can smell it running rich

    I jumped the B and C terminals on the TPS plug, and checked for voltage at terminal 2 of the ECM per the CSM. I got very low voltage, which, according to the book, should indicate problems with the TPS. I was reading somewhere in the book that this can cause problems with the mixture control, etc. Not sure if I need to replace it, or can adjust it. Found the instructions on how to adjust it...will get into that another day. BTW, when I jumped the A & B terminals, I could hear a clicking sound from around where the TPS is located. Not sure if this is a problem or not.
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    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    Haven't had much time to work on the Olds this summer, but I am starting to make some progress. Current work in progress:

    Replacing the brake line from the junction block to the hose above the differential. Line was rotted, and had to replace the entire line. Only way to do it was to couple several lines together. All that is left to do now is get the clamps tightened down, and bleed the brakes. First time the car will have had brakes in years. One of the clamps is in a bad spot...between the frame and the body very little room to work in there.

    Replacing the right bank manifold because of a broken stud...tried to drill it out, but the drill walked on me. I don't know if I can salvage it, because it started to drill out the side. Will have to head to the junkyard to find a replacement.

    Removing the doghouse, in order to get everything cleaned up (not to mention make it easier to get the manifold off). Lots of grease, dirt, wasp nests, mouse nests, etc. Still looks better than when I got it.

    Just bought some good used tires for it...4-P225-60R15 directional radials. Got all 4, including mounting and balancing, and all new solid lug nuts, for $100. Tires have good tread...should do well. Got to clean the rust off the rims, and paint them the correct color.

    Lots of other little stuff to do, but that's part of the fun of this project. Getting things to work makes it worth the sweat and dirt...and believe me, I've sweated a lot on this car, and it has a lot of dirt and rust underneath. I think I took a bunch of it away on me yesterday.

    Here's a link to when I got it started for the first time:

    http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/_AH_Olds/?action=view┬Ąt=101_0830.mp4

    Another link to some pics...

    http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/_AH_Olds/442/
    '76 Cutlass S 350 (1981-83)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    Its allot of hard work, I just litterally built a whole 442 in two weeks and did lots of cleaning too.
    I just did that same line as well, I had to use the open end of a 13mm socket and swear allot... lol I used swivals on the others.

    Hang in there, its a slow process but very rewarding in the end.
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    85 442 White/Sage
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    Finally got the lines installed...had to loosen the line, and work my way from back to front. I was then able to get the screw started between the frame and the body. Got the brakes bled today...won't know how well they work until I can drive it. Hope I got all the air out...pedal feels good, but time will tell. Now for the doghouse and exhaust....
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    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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    I'm keeping this thread going for continuity, even though it is old. The Olds is now driveable! Here's a progress report:

    I rebuilt the 307 last summer (turns out it had been punched out .040 over), put in new Clevite bearings, Perfect Circle rings, and all the good gaskets. Got it running in October, and got to drive it a few times before winter set in. Got back on it this spring to get the break in done (broke it in with 15-40 Rotella because of high zinc content). Oil pressure was good throughout 500 mile break in, which I just finished. Drained the 15-40 and am using Valvoline 10W30. I have heard some very minor noise, possibly from the lifters (even with the heavier oil), so I may have to put in a fresh set eventually (one of those things you don't have enough for at the time, so you take care of it later). It is running great, and sounds good. It's not overly loud, but it has a nice rumble at idle.

    Some of the other things I've done this spring:

    Changed front shocks - installed KYB Gas-a-just
    Replaced trans mount (+ 2 helicoils from stripped threads in tranny - that was fun ) - felt like front would rise on acceleration, then rock when I let off...better now, but still feel very slight movement
    Repaired loose tilt column - found a good article on an El Camino forum about the cause of this. Used the high temp grease they recommened, but think I used too much. Will tear back into it later to cut down the smell (pretty strong). It is now fixed, however - no more loose column!
    Added two new front speakers and a Pioneer stereo (got at BB for about $50...speakers were about $30). Had to do slight modifications to the inside where the speakers mount, but it can't be seen. I have to get another dash pad anyway...this one is cracked badly. Yes, I know you have one, and I would love to buy it, but I am at a point where I will have to do that later...not enough to spare right now. Might look at that later this year.


    I have a lot of other things to do yet. I have to re-align the fenders and doors (did not get them right the first time). Horn needs fixed (think it is a wiring issue); need to pick up replacement wiper arm for right side; need new air shocks...right side sits lower than left; interior panels need re-installed. Last, but not least, I need to try to recondition the t-top seals to at least seal until I can replace them. I also need to figure out how to make this look decent, considering that the finish is rough (old picture, but you get the idea):



    You can see the rough spots on the trunk here:



    I have other pics, but I can't see to get them to upload right now. What I'm trying to figure out is how do I get this looking decent? I don't have the money right now (or a place to tear it down) to redo the body. I would like to get the rust off of the finish, and get the old clearcoat off (if possible) to try to make it look presentable. I've had lots of comments on the car, and most are "When are you going to paint it?" Answer is always "When I get the money". Have to take care of priorities first, like family.

    I've been having a blast driving this. We got it out last week, and took the tops out. That was fun! Went to local Wal Mart, and when we left, all I did was tapped the throttle as we pulled out onto the road...I hear ...eeeerrk...nice little chirp. Wasn't even trying This seems like one of those cars that just gets better and better.


    Thanks,

    Oldsie
    '76 Cutlass S 350 (1981-83)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 260 (1983-85)
    '79 Cutlass Supreme 350 Chevy (1989-1993)
    '77 Cutlass Salon 350 (1996-present)
    '98 Bravada - green - (2005) RIP
    '98 Bravada - black - (2005-2011) sold
    '87 442 (May 2010) undergoing restoration

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